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		<title>By: Reggie Brutus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reggie Brutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking for a copywriter to write a 1000-2000k word web page sales letter thats good.  Whats the best price I can get on this.  I&#039;m on a shoestring budget for now.  please email me at rbrutus@comcast.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking for a copywriter to write a 1000-2000k word web page sales letter thats good.  Whats the best price I can get on this.  I&#8217;m on a shoestring budget for now.  please email me at <a href="mailto:rbrutus@comcast.net">rbrutus@comcast.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Writing for Free?! Deborah Ng Cuts Away the Bull The Copywriter Underground: Copywriting Beyond the Words :: Modern Marketing Strategies for Copywriters &#38; Businesses</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Writing for Free?! Deborah Ng Cuts Away the Bull The Copywriter Underground: Copywriting Beyond the Words :: Modern Marketing Strategies for Copywriters &#38; Businesses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 16:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Not when you consider the alternatives. A couple weeks ago I wrote a &#8220;Five Things Every Struggling Writer Should Do&#8221; post that was mostly aimed at business writers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Not when you consider the alternatives. A couple weeks ago I wrote a &#8220;Five Things Every Struggling Writer Should Do&#8221; post that was mostly aimed at business writers. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Ever Wonder Who&#8217;s Cutting and Pasting Your Online Copy? The Copywriter Underground: Copywriting Beyond the Words :: Modern Marketing Strategies for Copywriters &#38; Businesses</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Ever Wonder Who&#8217;s Cutting and Pasting Your Online Copy? The Copywriter Underground: Copywriting Beyond the Words :: Modern Marketing Strategies for Copywriters &#38; Businesses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 06:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve written a handful of posts about &#8220;budget freelancing.&#8221; It&#8217;s a dangerous rut, and I writers (especially those who want a career with some legs to it) should look to escape it whenever possible. Starting today. Like now&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve written a handful of posts about &#8220;budget freelancing.&#8221; It&#8217;s a dangerous rut, and I writers (especially those who want a career with some legs to it) should look to escape it whenever possible. Starting today. Like now&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 17:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carson, you ignorant slut.</description>
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		<title>By: Carson Brackney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carson Brackney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 14:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  And disagreed.

I sure wouldn&#039;t want to work the lower paying segment  exclusively, but I wouldn&#039;t be so sure it&#039;s an inevitable source of unhappiness for everyone.  

There are people out there who do have the mindset and skill set to make it an enjoyable and profitable angle.

Most people, I would imagine, probably concur with your assessment.  There are those, however, who don&#039;t mind &quot;writing as grinding&quot; as a way to make a living.

Does this partial disagreement reach the level where some attention-grabbing name-calling is in order, or is this doomed to be another unnoticed civil exchange?

Carson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  And disagreed.</p>
<p>I sure wouldn&#8217;t want to work the lower paying segment  exclusively, but I wouldn&#8217;t be so sure it&#8217;s an inevitable source of unhappiness for everyone.  </p>
<p>There are people out there who do have the mindset and skill set to make it an enjoyable and profitable angle.</p>
<p>Most people, I would imagine, probably concur with your assessment.  There are those, however, who don&#8217;t mind &#8220;writing as grinding&#8221; as a way to make a living.</p>
<p>Does this partial disagreement reach the level where some attention-grabbing name-calling is in order, or is this doomed to be another unnoticed civil exchange?</p>
<p>Carson</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 18:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carson: Let&#039;s keep in mind the goal here isn&#039;t so much growing your business as it is growing mine. Andy wasn&#039;t clear on that, so I gave him a free ride... 8-)

I appreciate your post. But want to respectfully disagree with one point:

If, on the other hand, the writer is commissioned to churn out 500 word articles that are factually accurate and conversational with a lowered expectation bar, it ainâ€™t that tough.

Therein lies the rub. In a Plimpton-esque move, I&#039;ve undertake a couple of low-budget article gigs to see what it&#039;s like (and to generate material for this blog).

What I&#039;m finding is this: it is &quot;that tough.&quot; 

We&#039;re writers. If we want to do this for a living, we&#039;d better love to write.

I love writing well, and churning out enough words to hit a specified word count is miserable work - much tougher than struggling for the right words.

Making a few bucks is a good thing.

But writing beneath your talent is simply bad - especially when you project that kind of work over several years.

Writing low-budget articles seems like a painful way to move through a career. 

I applaud Andy for seeking an alternative - and my original post was designed to help those stuck in a similar rut. 

I&#039;m a little surprised by the number of writers who seemingly do little more than scan Internet listings for low-budget work.

Few businesses thrive in that environment.

I believe that anyone wishing to make a career out of this needs to look beyond the &quot;easy&quot; stuff. 

They should identify and seek out projects they want to write. 

Otherwise, it&#039;s going to be a long, long career. But maybe not a happy one.

Low-budget articles as filler or starting points? 

Maybe. But it&#039;s no way to make a living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carson: Let&#8217;s keep in mind the goal here isn&#8217;t so much growing your business as it is growing mine. Andy wasn&#8217;t clear on that, so I gave him a free ride&#8230; 8-)</p>
<p>I appreciate your post. But want to respectfully disagree with one point:</p>
<p>If, on the other hand, the writer is commissioned to churn out 500 word articles that are factually accurate and conversational with a lowered expectation bar, it ainâ€™t that tough.</p>
<p>Therein lies the rub. In a Plimpton-esque move, I&#8217;ve undertake a couple of low-budget article gigs to see what it&#8217;s like (and to generate material for this blog).</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m finding is this: it is &#8220;that tough.&#8221; </p>
<p>We&#8217;re writers. If we want to do this for a living, we&#8217;d better love to write.</p>
<p>I love writing well, and churning out enough words to hit a specified word count is miserable work &#8211; much tougher than struggling for the right words.</p>
<p>Making a few bucks is a good thing.</p>
<p>But writing beneath your talent is simply bad &#8211; especially when you project that kind of work over several years.</p>
<p>Writing low-budget articles seems like a painful way to move through a career. </p>
<p>I applaud Andy for seeking an alternative &#8211; and my original post was designed to help those stuck in a similar rut. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little surprised by the number of writers who seemingly do little more than scan Internet listings for low-budget work.</p>
<p>Few businesses thrive in that environment.</p>
<p>I believe that anyone wishing to make a career out of this needs to look beyond the &#8220;easy&#8221; stuff. </p>
<p>They should identify and seek out projects they want to write. </p>
<p>Otherwise, it&#8217;s going to be a long, long career. But maybe not a happy one.</p>
<p>Low-budget articles as filler or starting points? </p>
<p>Maybe. But it&#8217;s no way to make a living.</p>
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		<title>By: Carson Brackney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carson Brackney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 19:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that was a really even-handed post.  Too often, the &quot;rate question&quot; devolves.

Now, on to the living wage question...

Let&#039;s say Client X is paying a writer a mere 3 cents per word to write 500 word articles.  $15 per article.  

At face value, that doesn&#039;t seem to be a good wage equivalency at all.  On closer examination, though...

What if the writer could work for five hours, averaging a mere 30 words per minute over that timeframe.  5 hours x 60 minutes x 30 words/minute = 9000 words.  That&#039;s $270.  Do that for 300 days out of the year and your making $81K gross.

But that&#039;s impossible, right?  That&#039;s a helluva lot of writing on a daily basis.  

Not necessarily.  The reason why so many writers look at low rates and assume poverty is because they are approaching the work from a completely different mindset.  They are thinking about how they slave over word choices for great sales copy.  They are thinking about spending hours doing research, conducting interviews and outlining.  From that perspective the rate is absolute crap.

If, on the other hand, the writer is commissioned to churn out 500 word articles that are factually accurate and conversational with a lowered expectation bar, it ain&#039;t that tough.

And this, in my estimation, is where the question of fairness and rates tends to get muddled.

When Andy, you or I talk about writing and rates, we might not be talking about the same thing John Doe is talking about.  He&#039;s talking about content writing for would-be Adsense empire owners at a low per-word rate and less-than-The-New-Yorker-to-say-the-least expectations.  

We can argue about whether that kind of work is really a good financial decision for buyers, etc. but there&#039;s no question that there&#039;s a market for it.  I also think it&#039;s fair to say that it can be a lucrative market for the right person.

I might prefer to stay out of that market, but I can use that kind of work to fill scheduling gaps and make a decent wage equivalency from it.  That&#039;s because I go into it knowing that &quot;writing isn&#039;t writing&quot; and I approach it differently than I will a sales letter gig or a more involved ghostwriting job.

I think the rate question often gets muddled because we tend to make &quot;writing&quot; into a kind of generalized entity when it really isn&#039;t necessarily that way.

All in all, I agree with your sentiments, but I do think it&#039;s worthwhile to recognize that even seemingly miserable rates might be better than some think because the nature of the work is so radically divorced from that with which we may be better accustomed.

I have now written the longest blog post reply in history.  Maybe that will get me some business, too.

Carson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that was a really even-handed post.  Too often, the &#8220;rate question&#8221; devolves.</p>
<p>Now, on to the living wage question&#8230;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say Client X is paying a writer a mere 3 cents per word to write 500 word articles.  $15 per article.  </p>
<p>At face value, that doesn&#8217;t seem to be a good wage equivalency at all.  On closer examination, though&#8230;</p>
<p>What if the writer could work for five hours, averaging a mere 30 words per minute over that timeframe.  5 hours x 60 minutes x 30 words/minute = 9000 words.  That&#8217;s $270.  Do that for 300 days out of the year and your making $81K gross.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s impossible, right?  That&#8217;s a helluva lot of writing on a daily basis.  </p>
<p>Not necessarily.  The reason why so many writers look at low rates and assume poverty is because they are approaching the work from a completely different mindset.  They are thinking about how they slave over word choices for great sales copy.  They are thinking about spending hours doing research, conducting interviews and outlining.  From that perspective the rate is absolute crap.</p>
<p>If, on the other hand, the writer is commissioned to churn out 500 word articles that are factually accurate and conversational with a lowered expectation bar, it ain&#8217;t that tough.</p>
<p>And this, in my estimation, is where the question of fairness and rates tends to get muddled.</p>
<p>When Andy, you or I talk about writing and rates, we might not be talking about the same thing John Doe is talking about.  He&#8217;s talking about content writing for would-be Adsense empire owners at a low per-word rate and less-than-The-New-Yorker-to-say-the-least expectations.  </p>
<p>We can argue about whether that kind of work is really a good financial decision for buyers, etc. but there&#8217;s no question that there&#8217;s a market for it.  I also think it&#8217;s fair to say that it can be a lucrative market for the right person.</p>
<p>I might prefer to stay out of that market, but I can use that kind of work to fill scheduling gaps and make a decent wage equivalency from it.  That&#8217;s because I go into it knowing that &#8220;writing isn&#8217;t writing&#8221; and I approach it differently than I will a sales letter gig or a more involved ghostwriting job.</p>
<p>I think the rate question often gets muddled because we tend to make &#8220;writing&#8221; into a kind of generalized entity when it really isn&#8217;t necessarily that way.</p>
<p>All in all, I agree with your sentiments, but I do think it&#8217;s worthwhile to recognize that even seemingly miserable rates might be better than some think because the nature of the work is so radically divorced from that with which we may be better accustomed.</p>
<p>I have now written the longest blog post reply in history.  Maybe that will get me some business, too.</p>
<p>Carson</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Humphrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Humphrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, of course. I should have thought of that.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And oh yeah - does this qualify me for a link from your site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And oh yeah &#8211; does this qualify me for a link from your site?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute - why didn&#039;t *I* get any work out of the deal. The Internet&#039;s just so unfair... 8-)

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute &#8211; why didn&#8217;t *I* get any work out of the deal. The Internet&#8217;s just so unfair&#8230; 8-)</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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