Comments on: Journalism Jobs Outsourced to India? (This Posted From the USA… For Now) http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/ Copywriting Beyond the Words :: The Freelance Writer's Life Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:46:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: micheelgeorge http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-47657 micheelgeorge Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:29:33 +0000 http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/#comment-47657 The U.S. news industry is bleeding jobs. According to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, 2,400 journalists left newspaper newsrooms last year, either through layoffs or buyouts, leaving the industry with its smallest workforce since 1984. ------------ micheel <a href="http://www.drivenwide.com" rel="nofollow">buzz marketing</a> The U.S. news industry is bleeding jobs. According to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, 2,400 journalists left newspaper newsrooms last year, either through layoffs or buyouts, leaving the industry with its smallest workforce since 1984.
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]]> By: micheelgeorge http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-47655 micheelgeorge Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:18:41 +0000 http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/#comment-47655 When the Miami Herald hired Brayden Simms as a fulltime copy editor back in March, the former freelancer assumed his new position meant new job security. He had it wrong: In mid-June, the Florida native learned that his job had been outsourced to Mindworks Global Media, a Noida-based firm that is among the companies. --------- micheel <a href="http://www.drivenwide.com" rel="nofollow">Internet marketing</a> When the Miami Herald hired Brayden Simms as a fulltime copy editor back in March, the former freelancer assumed his new position meant new job security. He had it wrong: In mid-June, the Florida native learned that his job had been outsourced to Mindworks Global Media, a Noida-based firm that is among the companies.
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]]> By: Tom Chandler http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-43502 Tom Chandler Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:47:38 +0000 http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/#comment-43502 Ria: Perhaps you could locate the racist passages for us. I read the original post and comments, and see a discussion of economic-driven realities and limitations inherent in the cultural periscope; no more racist than suggesting foreign car manufacturers built their US factories in rural areas because wages were lower (hint: they did). In your own comment, you said "everyone who is qualified has the right to a job" and in fact, we were debating the idea of "qualification." Can someone half a world away write tellingly about a meeting from a video? Can a copywriter tap into a largely foreign culture and sell to it? Or do very real cultural differences stand in the way? Amusingly, you suggest western news people aren't up to the job, an assertion that actually bolsters the case of those you'd so glibly label as racist. Yes, we are all equal, but it would be ludicrous to suggest we see the world the same way, and by your twisted standard, it would be impossible to discuss that reality without being smeared as a racist. If that's the case, then the marketplace of ideas has already shut down, and the battle for civil discourse lost. Ria:

Perhaps you could locate the racist passages for us. I read the original post and comments, and see a discussion of economic-driven realities and limitations inherent in the cultural periscope; no more racist than suggesting foreign car manufacturers built their US factories in rural areas because wages were lower (hint: they did).

In your own comment, you said “everyone who is qualified has the right to a job” and in fact, we were debating the idea of “qualification.”

Can someone half a world away write tellingly about a meeting from a video? Can a copywriter tap into a largely foreign culture and sell to it? Or do very real cultural differences stand in the way?

Amusingly, you suggest western news people aren’t up to the job, an assertion that actually bolsters the case of those you’d so glibly label as racist.

Yes, we are all equal, but it would be ludicrous to suggest we see the world the same way, and by your twisted standard, it would be impossible to discuss that reality without being smeared as a racist.

If that’s the case, then the marketplace of ideas has already shut down, and the battle for civil discourse lost.

]]> By: Ria http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-43498 Ria Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:02:50 +0000 http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/#comment-43498 It's amazing how many racists lurk on this site. Since when did language become the property of a single country/race/community? Cultural nuances are never in question when ignorant Western journalists make stereotypical comments on Arabs and people of other non English speaking ethnicities. Grow up people - the job market is a level playing field now. I once worked in a "Third World" news bureau and today I teach communication to undergraduates at a reputed US university. The world is changing - we ought to give up our prejudices and learn to appreciate that everyone who is qualified has the right to a job, no matter where their location or what their native language. It’s amazing how many racists lurk on this site. Since when did language become the property of a single country/race/community? Cultural nuances are never in question when ignorant Western journalists make stereotypical comments on Arabs and people of other non English speaking ethnicities. Grow up people – the job market is a level playing field now. I once worked in a “Third World” news bureau and today I teach communication to undergraduates at a reputed US university. The world is changing – we ought to give up our prejudices and learn to appreciate that everyone who is qualified has the right to a job, no matter where their location or what their native language.

]]> By: Tom Chandler http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-14515 Tom Chandler Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:40:37 +0000 http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/#comment-14515 Judith: I think the differences in the language would prevent any large scale offshoring, but the work in question isn't exactly high value copy. Perhaps the market for this kind of work will stick. It doesn't affect me, but it does tend to remove a few rungs from the bottom of the ladder -- runs commonly used by new writers trying to break in... Judith: I think the differences in the language would prevent any large scale offshoring, but the work in question isn’t exactly high value copy.

Perhaps the market for this kind of work will stick. It doesn’t affect me, but it does tend to remove a few rungs from the bottom of the ladder — runs commonly used by new writers trying to break in…

]]> By: Judith http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-14511 Judith Thu, 12 Jul 2007 16:31:13 +0000 http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/#comment-14511 My feeling is it can't happen without a serious lowering or twisting of writing standards. Most English-speaking Indians, though very fluent and comfortable with the language, speak and write an "altered' kind of English -- even grammatically so. It is not just style and brevity, it's an often archaic (by US/UK standards) use of words and turns of phrases. I know. I live in India and read their papers daily. My feeling is it can’t happen without a serious lowering or twisting of writing standards. Most English-speaking Indians, though very fluent and comfortable with the language, speak and write an “altered’ kind of English — even grammatically so. It is not just style and brevity, it’s an often archaic (by US/UK standards) use of words and turns of phrases. I know. I live in India and read their papers daily.

]]> By: stories from a Public Relations life » Public Relations, Marketing & Communications news & links http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-8178 stories from a Public Relations life » Public Relations, Marketing & Communications news & links Wed, 23 May 2007 04:16:29 +0000 http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/#comment-8178 [...] in India to write about Pasadena… California, I think. A must-read. (Special thanks to The Copywriter Underground for pointing me to [...] [...] in India to write about Pasadena… California, I think. A must-read. (Special thanks to The Copywriter Underground for pointing me to [...]

]]> By: Tom Chandler http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-7885 Tom Chandler Wed, 16 May 2007 23:58:08 +0000 http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/#comment-7885 Roberta's "Citizen Journalist" comment was hilarious. It's hard to define what most blogs publish as "journalism." Commentary? Analysis? Observation? Possibly. But journalism? Only a handful. A couple months ago I started a post suggesting that professionals (us) make our lives harder for ourselves instead of easier by blogging. Never quite got it finished, but perhaps someday I will. Roberta’s “Citizen Journalist” comment was hilarious. It’s hard to define what most blogs publish as “journalism.”

Commentary? Analysis? Observation? Possibly. But journalism? Only a handful.

A couple months ago I started a post suggesting that professionals (us) make our lives harder for ourselves instead of easier by blogging.

Never quite got it finished, but perhaps someday I will.

]]> By: Susan Minarcin http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-7864 Susan Minarcin Wed, 16 May 2007 15:20:57 +0000 http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/#comment-7864 This is still very much the commodization of (copy) writing -- the only real difference being that the lowest bidder not only lives half-a-world-away and is steeped in a very different culture. Roberta makes a fascinating point, I think, that today everyone calls themselves a "citizen journalist". But, this is largely do to how easy it is to create a blog, isn't it? That raises some interesting questions: because of the prevalence of blogging is the "bar" inherently lower? Are we as writers shooting ourselves in the foot by taking part in this blogging revolution or are we adding to the problem against which we all complain – the ascendancy of bad writing? This is still very much the commodization of (copy) writing — the only real difference being that the lowest bidder not only lives half-a-world-away and is steeped in a very different culture.

Roberta makes a fascinating point, I think, that today everyone calls themselves a “citizen journalist”. But, this is largely do to how easy it is to create a blog, isn’t it?

That raises some interesting questions: because of the prevalence of blogging is the “bar” inherently lower? Are we as writers shooting ourselves in the foot by taking part in this blogging revolution or are we adding to the problem against which we all complain – the ascendancy of bad writing?

]]> By: Tom Chandler http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/comment-page-1/#comment-7863 Tom Chandler Wed, 16 May 2007 13:34:02 +0000 http://copywriterunderground.com/2007/05/15/journalism-jobs-outsourced-to-india-this-posted-from-the-usa-for-now/#comment-7863 I largely agree, though it seems that much of the low-end SEO work has already gone overseas. I can't imagine offshoring a high-end ad campaign. And it's clear a lot of companies who rushed to offshore support and development functions are pulling back from those decisions. I've worked for both English and Scottish companies, and that was hard enough. And (supposedly), we mostly speak the same language... 8-) I largely agree, though it seems that much of the low-end SEO work has already gone overseas.

I can’t imagine offshoring a high-end ad campaign. And it’s clear a lot of companies who rushed to offshore support and development functions are pulling back from those decisions.

I’ve worked for both English and Scottish companies, and that was hard enough. And (supposedly), we mostly speak the same language… 8-)

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