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	<title>Comments on: Guess I Didn&#8217;t Want to Work For Free Badly Enough</title>
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	<description>Copywriting Beyond the Words :: The Freelance Writer's Life</description>
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		<title>By: Mark McClure</title>
		<link>http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/04/09/guess-i-didnt-want-to-work-for-free-badly-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-82019</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Tom, I&#039;ve come to this thread a wee bit later... but at least your &#039;prospect&#039; didn&#039;t use that well known low-balling statement:

&quot;This should be an easy job for anyone who knows what they&#039;re doing&quot; ;-)

I wonder if writers find better blogging clients (i.e. pay well and appreciate your work!) by focusing only on selected markets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Tom, I&#8217;ve come to this thread a wee bit later&#8230; but at least your &#8216;prospect&#8217; didn&#8217;t use that well known low-balling statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;This should be an easy job for anyone who knows what they&#8217;re doing&#8221; ;-)</p>
<p>I wonder if writers find better blogging clients (i.e. pay well and appreciate your work!) by focusing only on selected markets?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
		<link>http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/04/09/guess-i-didnt-want-to-work-for-free-badly-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-41201</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 00:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jones: Sounds like you didn&#039;t have a longterm blogging gig as much as your were making an ongoing charitable  contribution to someone else&#039;s bank account. 

How do you negotiate with a client like that? You probably can&#039;t -- it&#039;s not a negotiation when one side doesn&#039;t apply any real value to what the other side&#039;s offering. 

The &quot;helping&quot; language is classic stuff. One of the biggest red flags you can hear from a client is the classic &quot;I&#039;d do this myself, but I don&#039;t have the time.&quot; 

They&#039;re typically not interested in buying talent, just keystrokes. Keystrokes are cheap.

Good luck with your future endeavors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jones: Sounds like you didn&#8217;t have a longterm blogging gig as much as your were making an ongoing charitable  contribution to someone else&#8217;s bank account. </p>
<p>How do you negotiate with a client like that? You probably can&#8217;t &#8212; it&#8217;s not a negotiation when one side doesn&#8217;t apply any real value to what the other side&#8217;s offering. </p>
<p>The &#8220;helping&#8221; language is classic stuff. One of the biggest red flags you can hear from a client is the classic &#8220;I&#8217;d do this myself, but I don&#8217;t have the time.&#8221; </p>
<p>They&#8217;re typically not interested in buying talent, just keystrokes. Keystrokes are cheap.</p>
<p>Good luck with your future endeavors.</p>
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		<title>By: Jones</title>
		<link>http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/04/09/guess-i-didnt-want-to-work-for-free-badly-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-41198</link>
		<dc:creator>Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 23:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, thank you, thank you for this post-- subscribing to your blog, immediately.

I priced myself right out of a longterm blog job recently, when I refused to continue to write 5 great posts a week without fail, for less than the cost of a few designer lattes. 

The employer then countered my price suggesting that I write 7 posts for a slight increase in pay-- essentially .002 cents per word. Write MORE for LESS? I said no and thank you. 

Shortly thereafter I was informed by the employer that he&#039;d found someone else to, &quot;help him out&quot; at the old, sweatshop rate. WOW. So, I was HELPING, not writing. Lovely. There&#039;s always someone who will do it for less, I guess.

How do you negotiate with an employer who equates your work to running an errand, or doing him a favor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you, thank you for this post&#8211; subscribing to your blog, immediately.</p>
<p>I priced myself right out of a longterm blog job recently, when I refused to continue to write 5 great posts a week without fail, for less than the cost of a few designer lattes. </p>
<p>The employer then countered my price suggesting that I write 7 posts for a slight increase in pay&#8211; essentially .002 cents per word. Write MORE for LESS? I said no and thank you. </p>
<p>Shortly thereafter I was informed by the employer that he&#8217;d found someone else to, &#8220;help him out&#8221; at the old, sweatshop rate. WOW. So, I was HELPING, not writing. Lovely. There&#8217;s always someone who will do it for less, I guess.</p>
<p>How do you negotiate with an employer who equates your work to running an errand, or doing him a favor?</p>
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		<title>By: Farrukh Naeem: Copywriter in UAE</title>
		<link>http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/04/09/guess-i-didnt-want-to-work-for-free-badly-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-39914</link>
		<dc:creator>Farrukh Naeem: Copywriter in UAE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom,

Yes, this a challenge many bloggers write about and most writers face.

But I like the way that you have written it. Specially the part about exposure we can&#039;t eat.

There&#039;s an amazing video of Harlan Ellison, writer for Star Trek, giving quite some powerful sound bytes on what he thinks about people wanting writers&#039; services for free. I had blogged about it in my post called &quot;Should writers work for free or be paid like every other profession?&quot; at http://www.indiancopywriter.com 

I found your counter questions useful - including the retainer contract suggestion.

Thanks for bringing this up. I hope your reads this post... and gets it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,</p>
<p>Yes, this a challenge many bloggers write about and most writers face.</p>
<p>But I like the way that you have written it. Specially the part about exposure we can&#8217;t eat.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an amazing video of Harlan Ellison, writer for Star Trek, giving quite some powerful sound bytes on what he thinks about people wanting writers&#8217; services for free. I had blogged about it in my post called &#8220;Should writers work for free or be paid like every other profession?&#8221; at <a href="http://www.indiancopywriter.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.indiancopywriter.com</a> </p>
<p>I found your counter questions useful &#8211; including the retainer contract suggestion.</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing this up. I hope your reads this post&#8230; and gets it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
		<link>http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/04/09/guess-i-didnt-want-to-work-for-free-badly-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-39910</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smarty: Clearly, this guy was a yutz, but more troubling is the growing tide of yutzes, who -- after all -- are merely reflecting what&#039;s true all over the Internet: intellectual property has become passe, and paying for &quot;content&quot; is a laughable concept.

That some of that attitude is bleeding over into the copywriting world isn&#039;t surprising, especially given the legions of new writers who &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; willing to work for free.

Most of my clients haven&#039;t been affected (infected?), but I suspect we&#039;ll see a lot more who have been in the future...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smarty: Clearly, this guy was a yutz, but more troubling is the growing tide of yutzes, who &#8212; after all &#8212; are merely reflecting what&#8217;s true all over the Internet: intellectual property has become passe, and paying for &#8220;content&#8221; is a laughable concept.</p>
<p>That some of that attitude is bleeding over into the copywriting world isn&#8217;t surprising, especially given the legions of new writers who <i>are</i> willing to work for free.</p>
<p>Most of my clients haven&#8217;t been affected (infected?), but I suspect we&#8217;ll see a lot more who have been in the future&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Holding Firm: Thinking Thoughts on Value Proposition : The Copywriting Maven</title>
		<link>http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/04/09/guess-i-didnt-want-to-work-for-free-badly-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-39908</link>
		<dc:creator>Holding Firm: Thinking Thoughts on Value Proposition : The Copywriting Maven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My good buddy, Tom Chandler at Copywriter Underground has generated a flurry of responses from other copywriter/writer colleagues in his post, Guess I Didn’t Want to Work For Free Badly Enough [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My good buddy, Tom Chandler at Copywriter Underground has generated a flurry of responses from other copywriter/writer colleagues in his post, Guess I Didn’t Want to Work For Free Badly Enough [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Smartmouth</title>
		<link>http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/04/09/guess-i-didnt-want-to-work-for-free-badly-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-39878</link>
		<dc:creator>Smartmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have yet to encounter someone who asked me to work for free--or even quibbled seriously over money--who was not a nut or a complete pain in the cloaca. It&#039;s a major red flag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to encounter someone who asked me to work for free&#8211;or even quibbled seriously over money&#8211;who was not a nut or a complete pain in the cloaca. It&#8217;s a major red flag.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chandler</title>
		<link>http://copywriterunderground.com/2008/04/09/guess-i-didnt-want-to-work-for-free-badly-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-39870</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt &amp; Simon: One of the issues with engagement/content marketing is its distance from the revenue stream; it&#039;s often hard to quantify the impact of projects like blogs on the bottom line.

By contrast, a direct mailer or landing page generates a lot of data (and often direct revenue), and as a result, I don&#039;t think those projects have experienced as much downward pressure.

And Matt, I think a *lot* of entrepreneurs are making a ton of money getting everything done for free or cheap; think Google, Facebook, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#038; Simon: One of the issues with engagement/content marketing is its distance from the revenue stream; it&#8217;s often hard to quantify the impact of projects like blogs on the bottom line.</p>
<p>By contrast, a direct mailer or landing page generates a lot of data (and often direct revenue), and as a result, I don&#8217;t think those projects have experienced as much downward pressure.</p>
<p>And Matt, I think a *lot* of entrepreneurs are making a ton of money getting everything done for free or cheap; think Google, Facebook, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Ambrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Ambrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a lucky escape. I&#039;m not sure how successful this &#039;entrepreneur&#039;s&#039; venture will be if his business plan revolves around getting everything done for free or cheap. 

Although I&#039;d like to think/hope otherwise, the threat of writers being expected to charge lower fees can&#039;t be ignored. I&#039;m now working on supplementing my one off project fees with ongoing income from eBooks/information products. 

It gives me an opportunity to put into practice what I&#039;ve learned about the internet in the last two years and hopefully a cushion so I don&#039;t feel tempted to write for &#039;exposure&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a lucky escape. I&#8217;m not sure how successful this &#8216;entrepreneur&#8217;s&#8217; venture will be if his business plan revolves around getting everything done for free or cheap. </p>
<p>Although I&#8217;d like to think/hope otherwise, the threat of writers being expected to charge lower fees can&#8217;t be ignored. I&#8217;m now working on supplementing my one off project fees with ongoing income from eBooks/information products. </p>
<p>It gives me an opportunity to put into practice what I&#8217;ve learned about the internet in the last two years and hopefully a cushion so I don&#8217;t feel tempted to write for &#8216;exposure&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Freelance Writing Jobs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Little Weekend Link Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freelance Writing Jobs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Little Weekend Link Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tom Chandler doesn&#8217;t want to work for free either at Copywriter Underground. [...]</description>
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